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	<description>Daily photo-journal of organic market gardening: growing local food with two acres and some tools...!</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-27527</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SunshineNDirt:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, handpicking can get crazy in bad years, but there's that or...products. Four times a day sounds like a LOT, where aer they coming from? If you've rotated your eggplant so there aren't CPBs emerging right from the ground eggplant, you could have tried row cover when you put them in, but now, once the CPBs are under there, you'll still have problems and have to remove the cover to pick.

The problem I've had with the only applied stuff I've used, diatomaceous earth (I haven't used organic controls like BT or pyrethrin or rotenone), is that you have to keep using it. This also takes time and costs, and could do as much harm as good eventually, because they're not too selective. Like, DE kills off beneficial bugs, including non-hard bodied, like even bees, so if you're dumping a fair bit of it on to kill a CPB invasion, you could be causing other problems. Like, I believe ladybugs eat CPB eggs, and DE will kill ladybugs... (Coincidentally, a &lt;a href="http://tinyfarmblog.com/2008/06/17/weeding-day/#comment-27516" rel="nofollow"&gt;comment just appeared on another post&lt;/a&gt;, also about CPBs, and asking about ID-ing CPB eggs vs ladybug eggs in order not to kill off ladybugs...)

It sounds like you're sticking to organics and as low-impact methods as possible, so you should read up on the CPB life cycle, and next year at least, try to get craftier with timing, like getting the eggs when they come out (spring and again once or twice a season), or shaking the larva off when they're small, and maybe some sort of trap crop...

When you're having a big problem, chemicals can sound easy...!  Luckily, I haven't run into a BIG one that couldn't be solved otherwise...so far!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SunshineNDirt:</strong> Yeah, handpicking can get crazy in bad years, but there&#8217;s that or&#8230;products. Four times a day sounds like a LOT, where aer they coming from? If you&#8217;ve rotated your eggplant so there aren&#8217;t CPBs emerging right from the ground eggplant, you could have tried row cover when you put them in, but now, once the CPBs are under there, you&#8217;ll still have problems and have to remove the cover to pick.</p>
<p>The problem I&#8217;ve had with the only applied stuff I&#8217;ve used, diatomaceous earth (I haven&#8217;t used organic controls like BT or pyrethrin or rotenone), is that you have to keep using it. This also takes time and costs, and could do as much harm as good eventually, because they&#8217;re not too selective. Like, DE kills off beneficial bugs, including non-hard bodied, like even bees, so if you&#8217;re dumping a fair bit of it on to kill a CPB invasion, you could be causing other problems. Like, I believe ladybugs eat CPB eggs, and DE will kill ladybugs&#8230; (Coincidentally, a <a href="http://tinyfarmblog.com/2008/06/17/weeding-day/#comment-27516" rel="nofollow">comment just appeared on another post</a>, also about CPBs, and asking about ID-ing CPB eggs vs ladybug eggs in order not to kill off ladybugs&#8230;)</p>
<p>It sounds like you&#8217;re sticking to organics and as low-impact methods as possible, so you should read up on the CPB life cycle, and next year at least, try to get craftier with timing, like getting the eggs when they come out (spring and again once or twice a season), or shaking the larva off when they&#8217;re small, and maybe some sort of trap crop&#8230;</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re having a big problem, chemicals can sound easy&#8230;!  Luckily, I haven&#8217;t run into a BIG one that couldn&#8217;t be solved otherwise&#8230;so far!</p>
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		<title>By: SunshineNDirt</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-27490</link>
		<dc:creator>SunshineNDirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diatomaceous earth is a good idea to try.  I've heard they dehydrate from them, but you do have to reapply it constantly, also good on slugs &#38; snails.  

I tell you, I've been hand picking those CPBs off for over a week now and have to do it every few hours.  I go out about 4 times a day and can pull off another 20 or so.  I've removed a whole entire jar so far.  It's tedious and takes a lot of my time to do it.   

I can't tell if the babies can't get back up the stalk, but from what I've read, they a born near the soil, but they seem to cluster in groups.  I haven't found any eggs at all, but lots of larvae.  The Bt seems to work on the babies - give it a few days to work, and there seems to be fewer babies today.   It's funny, a few years ago, eggplants was one of my best harvests - easy and fruitful.  Not this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diatomaceous earth is a good idea to try.  I&#8217;ve heard they dehydrate from them, but you do have to reapply it constantly, also good on slugs &amp; snails.  </p>
<p>I tell you, I&#8217;ve been hand picking those CPBs off for over a week now and have to do it every few hours.  I go out about 4 times a day and can pull off another 20 or so.  I&#8217;ve removed a whole entire jar so far.  It&#8217;s tedious and takes a lot of my time to do it.   </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell if the babies can&#8217;t get back up the stalk, but from what I&#8217;ve read, they a born near the soil, but they seem to cluster in groups.  I haven&#8217;t found any eggs at all, but lots of larvae.  The Bt seems to work on the babies - give it a few days to work, and there seems to be fewer babies today.   It&#8217;s funny, a few years ago, eggplants was one of my best harvests - easy and fruitful.  Not this year!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-27483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Shannon:&lt;/strong&gt; I've tried diatomaceous earth. The thing is,  unless you dust 'em directly, it all depends on how long the DE sticks around to actually come in contact with the beetles. It'll be dispersed by rain, wind, dew... Unless you're really infested with CPBs, and you have a fairly small area, I found it's a lot quicker and easier to hand pick 'em. Checking for and removing the eggs is also good, but if you miss the eggs and get a newborn invasion, when they're in the slimy, sticky, orange, soft shell stage (babies!), you can just shake the plants to knock 'em off onto the ground, and they don't seem to be able to make it back. I went through the DE with proper duster applicator bit, but it seemed too expensive and time-consuming for the couple thousand feet of potatoes I grow. On eggplant, I just look for eggs and pick 'em as well.

For cucurbits (cukes, squash, etc), I tried at the same time, with even less success. I guess it depends on the weather and the pest level. The cucumber beetles fly around a lot, so the chances of hitting 'em seem lower. Then it's a matter of how long the DE remains on the leaves. I've had leaves almost white with DE (an experiment), and still had CBs... 

As for most things, for diatomacous earth, I guess your mileage varies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shannon:</strong> I&#8217;ve tried diatomaceous earth. The thing is,  unless you dust &#8216;em directly, it all depends on how long the DE sticks around to actually come in contact with the beetles. It&#8217;ll be dispersed by rain, wind, dew&#8230; Unless you&#8217;re really infested with CPBs, and you have a fairly small area, I found it&#8217;s a lot quicker and easier to hand pick &#8216;em. Checking for and removing the eggs is also good, but if you miss the eggs and get a newborn invasion, when they&#8217;re in the slimy, sticky, orange, soft shell stage (babies!), you can just shake the plants to knock &#8216;em off onto the ground, and they don&#8217;t seem to be able to make it back. I went through the DE with proper duster applicator bit, but it seemed too expensive and time-consuming for the couple thousand feet of potatoes I grow. On eggplant, I just look for eggs and pick &#8216;em as well.</p>
<p>For cucurbits (cukes, squash, etc), I tried at the same time, with even less success. I guess it depends on the weather and the pest level. The cucumber beetles fly around a lot, so the chances of hitting &#8216;em seem lower. Then it&#8217;s a matter of how long the DE remains on the leaves. I&#8217;ve had leaves almost white with DE (an experiment), and still had CBs&#8230; </p>
<p>As for most things, for diatomacous earth, I guess your mileage varies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using diatamaceous earth, sprinkled on my potatoes. It's been working really well so far. I also sprinkle it on my cucumbers and summer squash for the cucumber beetles. The tiny silica cystals have pointy edges that make tiny holes in the shell of the bugs which is supposed to disrupt their body's moisture levels (i believe). You should avoid breathing it in because the crystals also irritate our respiratory passages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using diatamaceous earth, sprinkled on my potatoes. It&#8217;s been working really well so far. I also sprinkle it on my cucumbers and summer squash for the cucumber beetles. The tiny silica cystals have pointy edges that make tiny holes in the shell of the bugs which is supposed to disrupt their body&#8217;s moisture levels (i believe). You should avoid breathing it in because the crystals also irritate our respiratory passages.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-27441</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;SunshineNDirt:&lt;/strong&gt; It's a year since this post, and the CPBs are on the eggplant again, not too bad, but they did feast on some leaves. I squish off the eggs when I find 'em, kinda pinch the leaf and roll 'em off with my thumb. Dunno if that's the best approach, but it works, and I don't use pesticides, even organic ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SunshineNDirt:</strong> It&#8217;s a year since this post, and the CPBs are on the eggplant again, not too bad, but they did feast on some leaves. I squish off the eggs when I find &#8216;em, kinda pinch the leaf and roll &#8216;em off with my thumb. Dunno if that&#8217;s the best approach, but it works, and I don&#8217;t use pesticides, even organic ones.</p>
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		<title>By: SunshineNDirt</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-27437</link>
		<dc:creator>SunshineNDirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those CPBs are devouring my eggplants!  I've been pulling them off by hand for a week now, and smashing them, just to arrive a few hours later to another complete infestation.  The neighbors across the street are growing potatoes, so I assume they keep coming from there (?).   I sprayed with Neem, and no affect whatsoever.  Today I plucked them off and put them in a jar of rubbing alcohol, and to my surprise filled up 1/3 of the jar!  I've also found them on my heirloom tomatoes (not as bad, though), but they are taking out a few branches like a horn worm.    I just sprinkled Bt on there, after removing all the adults.  We'll see if that has any affect on the larvae coming up.  Gosh, I sure hope so, I really want some eggplants to store for the upcoming winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those CPBs are devouring my eggplants!  I&#8217;ve been pulling them off by hand for a week now, and smashing them, just to arrive a few hours later to another complete infestation.  The neighbors across the street are growing potatoes, so I assume they keep coming from there (?).   I sprayed with Neem, and no affect whatsoever.  Today I plucked them off and put them in a jar of rubbing alcohol, and to my surprise filled up 1/3 of the jar!  I&#8217;ve also found them on my heirloom tomatoes (not as bad, though), but they are taking out a few branches like a horn worm.    I just sprinkled Bt on there, after removing all the adults.  We&#8217;ll see if that has any affect on the larvae coming up.  Gosh, I sure hope so, I really want some eggplants to store for the upcoming winter.</p>
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		<title>By: fourteenmilecreek</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-12260</link>
		<dc:creator>fourteenmilecreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had the same problem with CPBs, I don't think birds will eat orange and black bugs.  I put lots of blue bird boxes around my garden and have a bird feeder within 20 feet to atract birds to the bugs.

I don't know if sulfur powder will kill Colorado Potato Beettles, but we had a really bad chigger problem about June and five pounds of Sulfer dust at dawn seemed to wipe them out of the tomatoes in one day!

I wondered where the CPB were coming from, because they were there from the first season we had a garden there, then I found them in the horse pasture eating on wild night shade plants... they just had to migrate about 100 yards to get to the potatoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the same problem with CPBs, I don&#8217;t think birds will eat orange and black bugs.  I put lots of blue bird boxes around my garden and have a bird feeder within 20 feet to atract birds to the bugs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if sulfur powder will kill Colorado Potato Beettles, but we had a really bad chigger problem about June and five pounds of Sulfer dust at dawn seemed to wipe them out of the tomatoes in one day!</p>
<p>I wondered where the CPB were coming from, because they were there from the first season we had a garden there, then I found them in the horse pasture eating on wild night shade plants&#8230; they just had to migrate about 100 yards to get to the potatoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Waldner</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Waldner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leptinotarsa decemlineata - this creature was settled across all Europe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leptinotarsa decemlineata - this creature was settled across all Europe</p>
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		<title>By: debby from Edward's Garden</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>debby from Edward's Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're obviously not in the UK .  Whereabouts is your tiny farm?  I love some of your ideas and your loacl farmers market sounds (and looks) brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re obviously not in the UK .  Whereabouts is your tiny farm?  I love some of your ideas and your loacl farmers market sounds (and looks) brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/06/14/not-a-pretty-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-867</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to see that you have a pest problem. Guinea fowl are great at eating insects, would they eat these pests?
Sara from farmingfriend</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to see that you have a pest problem. Guinea fowl are great at eating insects, would they eat these pests?<br />
Sara from farmingfriend</p>
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