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		<title>By: Watching the Rain - Weather Stations as Decor &#124; Outdoor Living ideas and tips by Outdoor Living Expert Paul Sayer</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-20356</link>
		<dc:creator>Watching the Rain - Weather Stations as Decor &#124; Outdoor Living ideas and tips by Outdoor Living Expert Paul Sayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13349</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kevin:&lt;/b&gt; I looked up stink bugs, which seem to be confined for now mostly to your part of the world (southern USA/nearer the equator). Thankfully. They sound...not too nice. The funniest/most horrifying description I read: "Both stages cause damage by feeding on fruit (tomatoes, okra pods, pea or bean seed) with their piercing-sucking mouthparts." And that was a technical description from a Mississippi State University ag extension publication. Yikes! Have you tried row cover? ;)

And yeah, check out laser printers. I got my HP (B&#038;W printing) for $100 with a trial (half-full) cartridge, and it's still printing after the whole season, that's hundreds pages of weekly CSA newsletters alone. A full toner cart is $90 and I think prints 2000 pages. I was getting AT MOST 200 pages of black text out of a $25 inkjet cartridge. I must've spent like $1500 in ink for a $70 inkjet over three or four years. Unless you're addicted to printing full color photos on $2 sheets of special photo stock, go (cheap) laser!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kevin:</b> I looked up stink bugs, which seem to be confined for now mostly to your part of the world (southern USA/nearer the equator). Thankfully. They sound&#8230;not too nice. The funniest/most horrifying description I read: &#8220;Both stages cause damage by feeding on fruit (tomatoes, okra pods, pea or bean seed) with their piercing-sucking mouthparts.&#8221; And that was a technical description from a Mississippi State University ag extension publication. Yikes! Have you tried row cover? ;)</p>
<p>And yeah, check out laser printers. I got my HP (B&#038;W printing) for $100 with a trial (half-full) cartridge, and it&#8217;s still printing after the whole season, that&#8217;s hundreds pages of weekly CSA newsletters alone. A full toner cart is $90 and I think prints 2000 pages. I was getting AT MOST 200 pages of black text out of a $25 inkjet cartridge. I must&#8217;ve spent like $1500 in ink for a $70 inkjet over three or four years. Unless you&#8217;re addicted to printing full color photos on $2 sheets of special photo stock, go (cheap) laser!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13295</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah!  Ok, you made a good point about the bad side of technology :).  I'm amazed and intrigued that you find toner cartridges to be cheaper than inkjet cartridges.  I've wanted a laser printer for years, but assumed it would be cost-prohibitive.

I thought Amish and Mennonites were anti-tech.  I will look into it before I poke fun at them again.  In fact now that I think about it, a Mennonite leased the land next to our house and I saw him discing it with a tractor.   Shows my ignorance I guess.

Your disdain for Thiodan tells me one thing:  You don't have stink bugs where you live.  Without it, they make my tomatoes and peppers completely inedible with their stings.  They murdilize green beans/peas as well.  They even make summer squash disfigured, despite the fact that they only stay on the vine 2 or 3 days!  Still edible, but too ugly to share with friends.  If you have a better way of murdering those evil sons of... guns, please share it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah!  Ok, you made a good point about the bad side of technology :).  I&#8217;m amazed and intrigued that you find toner cartridges to be cheaper than inkjet cartridges.  I&#8217;ve wanted a laser printer for years, but assumed it would be cost-prohibitive.</p>
<p>I thought Amish and Mennonites were anti-tech.  I will look into it before I poke fun at them again.  In fact now that I think about it, a Mennonite leased the land next to our house and I saw him discing it with a tractor.   Shows my ignorance I guess.</p>
<p>Your disdain for Thiodan tells me one thing:  You don&#8217;t have stink bugs where you live.  Without it, they make my tomatoes and peppers completely inedible with their stings.  They murdilize green beans/peas as well.  They even make summer squash disfigured, despite the fact that they only stay on the vine 2 or 3 days!  Still edible, but too ugly to share with friends.  If you have a better way of murdering those evil sons of&#8230; guns, please share it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13255</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Patrick&lt;/b&gt;: As a reader of your blog, I take your comment as a high compliment. You know more about a lot of different gardening stuff than I do! Luckily, I seem to have good instincts and learn pretty quick... Although I don't think about it much in general terms, I guess finding that tech line between the good and the not good is an important, central part of tiny farming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Patrick</b>: As a reader of your blog, I take your comment as a high compliment. You know more about a lot of different gardening stuff than I do! Luckily, I seem to have good instincts and learn pretty quick&#8230; Although I don&#8217;t think about it much in general terms, I guess finding that tech line between the good and the not good is an important, central part of tiny farming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13253</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;hedgewizard&lt;/b&gt;: Started reading your blog with one of the early food coop entries, haven't yet got to how it shaped up. Sounds great! And your sidebar local food list is excellent, I'm gonna do the same here. Everyone (who's into local food and has a blog) should have one, it really puts the action first: do it, talk about it later!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>hedgewizard</b>: Started reading your blog with one of the early food coop entries, haven&#8217;t yet got to how it shaped up. Sounds great! And your sidebar local food list is excellent, I&#8217;m gonna do the same here. Everyone (who&#8217;s into local food and has a blog) should have one, it really puts the action first: do it, talk about it later!! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (tfb)</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike (tfb)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy heck (Kevin)! Of course, I'm not anti-technology, I'm using a wireless remote weather sensor to see what the temperature is 20' away outside the Milkhouse door...!! I don't give these blog photo...captions much forethought, and sometimes they take on a drift of their own. As far as I can gather, my basic larger point was: there's lots of cheap, digital, high tech gadgetry out there that, like credit cards, are being seductively laid out for people: they look good but do nothing for you, only COST. Gadgets have always been there, but chip-driven little programmed gadgets I find more insidious. Even knowing that, they're fascinating, and you still treat yourself to some... Perhaps tiny farming is sharpening my focus on what's really cool and what's just glittery...junk!

&lt;b&gt;Robin:&lt;/b&gt; This one I have is supposed to be good for 100'. I've looked around for weather stations before, when thinking about that first 50' or 100' production greenhouse. There are companies like La Crosse and Oregon and Davis Instruments that make a whole range. For serious monitoring, it looks like a $200-400 investment is in order, with multiple sensors reading from one base, and a few hundred feet of range. Right now, the only time I really might use a remote usefully is for about four weeks in April-May, when I put seedlings out in the unheated hoophouse and have to manually fire up a propane space heater if there's a cold snap at night (that's the current state of my heating technology). A remote (at about 300' from the Milkhouse) would save the walk to check the thermometer, but I kinda like walking in the dark with my 1 million candlepower rechargeable lamp (candlepower's getting cheaper all the time, too!). With production greenhouses, for me I think it'd be a luxury, not essential, but still a useful convenience. I'd have to BUDGET.

&lt;b&gt;Kevin:&lt;/b&gt; That was funny! You can be the official resident organics contrarian, just keep up the thought-provoking comments!! For some insight into my technology line, it's not hard, it's common sense. For an example of (tiny farm) tech that crosses my line, take "smart" inkjet cartridges, with a helpful little microchip that tells you when the ink is running low. I'm rushing to print out the week's 55 copies of the CSA newsletter, ink is low, I slam in the foresightfully on-hand spare, and...SILENCE. Blinking lights. WARNING! The freakin' smart cart misfired, it's full of ink, but the chip thinks it isn't and so has shut down the printer. I've NEVER had a problem with not knowing a cartridge was nearly empty, I didn't want or need another chip in the printing part of my life. I wonder if it's sending home the text of everything I print as well, for diagnostic and product improvement purposes. And I don't want to have to know if there's a way to jump the electronics and hotwire the printer, like, with a piece of chewing gum foil... This is obviously stupid (and greedily motivated) tech. There's LOTS of it around, some friendlier-seeming when it works, but really all there to drain your resources, financial and MENTAL. Thiodan, Daconil, Kelthane sound TO ME like they're in the smart cartridge category, since I'm managing to grow good veggies quite well without 'em. (And I don't buy Epson any more, in fact, reverted from color inkjet to a new, inexpensive HP laserjetâ€”tech like years ago, just cheaper!â€”and I have faster copies at a fraction of the cost, no ink bleeding when the paper gets wet, no opportunity to impulsively print a page IN COLOR that'll cost me six bucks in ink...)

I've been trying to figure out the Amish and Mennonite technology line, but it really isn't at all clear. I'm gonna visit the new neighbors and ask. I've tried to get at it, but there are so many groups with apparently different rules: Amish, old order Amish, Mennonites, old order Mennonites. Some spray chemicals and drive tractors and use all kinds of gear, but don't drive cars, but do have a driver to drive them into town. I'm getting a quote on a fork for the compact tractor, from a Mennonite metal fabrication shop down the road that's fully equipped. I heard (on a radio special) that some orders are thoroughly...modern, drive cars and work as business executives in the city. Others have designated readers (those who are taught to read)â€”I'm not sure where I heard that one. I've been negotiating by phone with Clarence down the road over buying an old, old tractor, he's Mennonite, I'll ask him. Nothing, it seems, is simple... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy heck (Kevin)! Of course, I&#8217;m not anti-technology, I&#8217;m using a wireless remote weather sensor to see what the temperature is 20&#8242; away outside the Milkhouse door&#8230;!! I don&#8217;t give these blog photo&#8230;captions much forethought, and sometimes they take on a drift of their own. As far as I can gather, my basic larger point was: there&#8217;s lots of cheap, digital, high tech gadgetry out there that, like credit cards, are being seductively laid out for people: they look good but do nothing for you, only COST. Gadgets have always been there, but chip-driven little programmed gadgets I find more insidious. Even knowing that, they&#8217;re fascinating, and you still treat yourself to some&#8230; Perhaps tiny farming is sharpening my focus on what&#8217;s really cool and what&#8217;s just glittery&#8230;junk!</p>
<p><b>Robin:</b> This one I have is supposed to be good for 100&#8242;. I&#8217;ve looked around for weather stations before, when thinking about that first 50&#8242; or 100&#8242; production greenhouse. There are companies like La Crosse and Oregon and Davis Instruments that make a whole range. For serious monitoring, it looks like a $200-400 investment is in order, with multiple sensors reading from one base, and a few hundred feet of range. Right now, the only time I really might use a remote usefully is for about four weeks in April-May, when I put seedlings out in the unheated hoophouse and have to manually fire up a propane space heater if there&#8217;s a cold snap at night (that&#8217;s the current state of my heating technology). A remote (at about 300&#8242; from the Milkhouse) would save the walk to check the thermometer, but I kinda like walking in the dark with my 1 million candlepower rechargeable lamp (candlepower&#8217;s getting cheaper all the time, too!). With production greenhouses, for me I think it&#8217;d be a luxury, not essential, but still a useful convenience. I&#8217;d have to BUDGET.</p>
<p><b>Kevin:</b> That was funny! You can be the official resident organics contrarian, just keep up the thought-provoking comments!! For some insight into my technology line, it&#8217;s not hard, it&#8217;s common sense. For an example of (tiny farm) tech that crosses my line, take &#8220;smart&#8221; inkjet cartridges, with a helpful little microchip that tells you when the ink is running low. I&#8217;m rushing to print out the week&#8217;s 55 copies of the CSA newsletter, ink is low, I slam in the foresightfully on-hand spare, and&#8230;SILENCE. Blinking lights. WARNING! The freakin&#8217; smart cart misfired, it&#8217;s full of ink, but the chip thinks it isn&#8217;t and so has shut down the printer. I&#8217;ve NEVER had a problem with not knowing a cartridge was nearly empty, I didn&#8217;t want or need another chip in the printing part of my life. I wonder if it&#8217;s sending home the text of everything I print as well, for diagnostic and product improvement purposes. And I don&#8217;t want to have to know if there&#8217;s a way to jump the electronics and hotwire the printer, like, with a piece of chewing gum foil&#8230; This is obviously stupid (and greedily motivated) tech. There&#8217;s LOTS of it around, some friendlier-seeming when it works, but really all there to drain your resources, financial and MENTAL. Thiodan, Daconil, Kelthane sound TO ME like they&#8217;re in the smart cartridge category, since I&#8217;m managing to grow good veggies quite well without &#8216;em. (And I don&#8217;t buy Epson any more, in fact, reverted from color inkjet to a new, inexpensive HP laserjetâ€”tech like years ago, just cheaper!â€”and I have faster copies at a fraction of the cost, no ink bleeding when the paper gets wet, no opportunity to impulsively print a page IN COLOR that&#8217;ll cost me six bucks in ink&#8230;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out the Amish and Mennonite technology line, but it really isn&#8217;t at all clear. I&#8217;m gonna visit the new neighbors and ask. I&#8217;ve tried to get at it, but there are so many groups with apparently different rules: Amish, old order Amish, Mennonites, old order Mennonites. Some spray chemicals and drive tractors and use all kinds of gear, but don&#8217;t drive cars, but do have a driver to drive them into town. I&#8217;m getting a quote on a fork for the compact tractor, from a Mennonite metal fabrication shop down the road that&#8217;s fully equipped. I heard (on a radio special) that some orders are thoroughly&#8230;modern, drive cars and work as business executives in the city. Others have designated readers (those who are taught to read)â€”I&#8217;m not sure where I heard that one. I&#8217;ve been negotiating by phone with Clarence down the road over buying an old, old tractor, he&#8217;s Mennonite, I&#8217;ll ask him. Nothing, it seems, is simple&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mudge</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13204</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey HedgeWizard!  Yah, this is definitely a cool blog...alas I have yet to have my own blog--but I'm threatening all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey HedgeWizard!  Yah, this is definitely a cool blog&#8230;alas I have yet to have my own blog&#8211;but I&#8217;m threatening all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: hedgewizard</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13113</link>
		<dc:creator>hedgewizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quality gadget - and quality blog! I tracked Steve Mudge over here hoping against hope to find his blog, but most impressed with this place and adding it to my links now. I'm a sucker for gadgets personally, but over the years I've found that a simple thermometer is the only one that I really need - so now we have an embargo on buying new ones. I'm very much anti-chemicals too - they can certainly work in a pinch but the impact is there if you know where to look; like Nemaslug making the slug problem WORSE the year after, by depleting the area of slug predators!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quality gadget - and quality blog! I tracked Steve Mudge over here hoping against hope to find his blog, but most impressed with this place and adding it to my links now. I&#8217;m a sucker for gadgets personally, but over the years I&#8217;ve found that a simple thermometer is the only one that I really need - so now we have an embargo on buying new ones. I&#8217;m very much anti-chemicals too - they can certainly work in a pinch but the impact is there if you know where to look; like Nemaslug making the slug problem WORSE the year after, by depleting the area of slug predators!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-13061</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny to see you say you're not overly thrilled by technology.  Without a doubt you are the most technically aware person doing what you are doing that I know.  

You are technically aware both in what's good to use, and also what not to use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to see you say you&#8217;re not overly thrilled by technology.  Without a doubt you are the most technically aware person doing what you are doing that I know.  </p>
<p>You are technically aware both in what&#8217;s good to use, and also what not to use!</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://tinyfarmblog.com/2007/12/28/temperature-gadget/#comment-12905</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I put in a remote temp/monitor and really like it. Can you imagine the temp diff between .5 and .6! One more shirt and pants I bet. ha! I really appreciate it as I have found when you go to buy the old stick it on a nail unit, you cannot find 2 that are reading the same temp! So I will trust the electronics (who knows it could be wrong too). We just have too much cold to try to run a greenhouse for winter growing here. Not a hill in site to build into a south facing slope or something so we could use the earth as a buffer. 
I on the other hand stay away from chemicals as much as possible except in the area of ferts which I use in a very limited fashion and usually for non edibles. Where I do use something from time to time is on the currants and gooseberries as they sure can take a beating from the currant worms. Our other main enemy is the birds and I just cannot justify all the netting it would take to protect the whole  farm yard.

Enjoy these kind of exchanges.

Clayton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I put in a remote temp/monitor and really like it. Can you imagine the temp diff between .5 and .6! One more shirt and pants I bet. ha! I really appreciate it as I have found when you go to buy the old stick it on a nail unit, you cannot find 2 that are reading the same temp! So I will trust the electronics (who knows it could be wrong too). We just have too much cold to try to run a greenhouse for winter growing here. Not a hill in site to build into a south facing slope or something so we could use the earth as a buffer.<br />
I on the other hand stay away from chemicals as much as possible except in the area of ferts which I use in a very limited fashion and usually for non edibles. Where I do use something from time to time is on the currants and gooseberries as they sure can take a beating from the currant worms. Our other main enemy is the birds and I just cannot justify all the netting it would take to protect the whole  farm yard.</p>
<p>Enjoy these kind of exchanges.</p>
<p>Clayton</p>
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