http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ Tiny Farm Forum Topic: Seeders en Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:28:51 +0000 http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-2232 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:36:43 +0000 survivalseed 2232@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>I thiink it will be a great Idea to use Survival Seeds. The Seeds form New survival seed bank for survival gardening, lets you grow a permanent, full acre crisis garden with on-hybrid survival seeds. Now you can grow all the survival food you will ever need anywhere in the country. These are NOT ordinary seeds... they have been chosen for their truly extraordinary germination rates!</p> <p><a href="http://www.survivalseedbank.com">SurvivalSeedBank.com</a> </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-2231 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:35:44 +0000 survivalseed 2231@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>I thiink it will be a great Idea to use Survival Seeds. The Seeds form New survival seed bank for survival gardening, lets you grow a permanent, full acre crisis garden with on-hybrid survival seeds. Now you can grow all the survival food you will ever need anywhere in the country. These are NOT ordinary seeds... they have been chosen for their truly extraordinary germination rates! </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-2216 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:02:42 +0000 Hillside Farm 2216@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>So far our only seeder is an old Earthway we got on Craig's List for $20. It has been well worth that price so far, although, as previously mentioned, it does drop a lot of seed. It also seems the handle angle makes it a bit awkward to push and the lightness of it seems to make it prone to not tracking straight. Has anyone modified their Earthway to correct these sorts of things? </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-2215 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:39:05 +0000 Hillside Farm 2215@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>So far our only seeder is an old Earthway we got on Craig's List for $20. It has been well worth that price so far, although, as previously mentioned, it does drop a lot of seed. It also seems the handle angle makes it a bit awkward to push and the lightness of it seems to make it prone to not tracking straight. Has anyone modified their Earthway to correct these sorts of things? </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-2179 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:51:00 +0000 sarak 2179@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>Has anyone tried the European Push Seeder from Johnny's? This one is only $300, it's not the European model mentioned before. I'm curious how it performs with small seeds. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-441 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:46:30 +0000 Matthias 441@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>6 Row Precision seeder</p> <p>Hi, After reading a few comments on this seeder since my last post (last year)I'm back to update everyone on year two. I purchased the extended seed range shaft for the seeder last spring in order to plant larger seed (beet/chard) and i found it worked quite well. Just like carrots(pelleted seed) spinach, onion, and radishes, beets and chard grew in a perfect grid, evenly spaced. However I must emphasize, the seedbed <strong>MUST BE PERFECTLY SMOOTH</strong> in order for the seeder to work. It is also meant to plant <strong>BEDS</strong> of vegetables, not rows. Eliot Coleman's experimentation in intensive planting in fertile soil, led him to design a seeder that would accomplish that aim. The beds create canopy's of foliage that choke out weeds and really reduces weeding. It also allows for simpler harvesting of greens, like mesclun and spicy mix, by the use of another innovation, the greens harvester. Root veggies, like carrots, grow very well (my best carrot year ever was this summer) spaced on a 4 inch grid with this seeder. They all grow to full maturity, provided the soil is fertile, on spacing this tight and really cut down on weeding. Unlike single row seeders, the 6 row can cover a wide swath in a single pass. The seeder is 15 inches wide, so 3 passes covers my 48 inch tractor mounted rototiller swath, with a few inches on both sided for a path.</p> <p>However, this system is not foolproof. The drawbacks are the need for a very fine and level seedbed. Another drawback is that there is no way to mechanically cultivate between the rows. All weeding in these beds must be done by hand until the canopy grows in. Also, this seeder takes time and finesse to master, it can be finicky, it is a precision instrument that operated within very fine tolerances. But if you are patient enough to learn how to use it, the results are very rewarding.</p> <p>On the subject of larger seeders, this year we used the old earth-way for the last time. No matter how straight you try to manually plant a row, its never straight enough to cultivate with the tractor. So after 6 years, its bye bye earthway, and hello to something we can attach to a toolbar and plant with the kubota. 5 acres is just too much to intensively hand weed every single square foot, so the field crops (peas, beans, corn, potatoes) will be tractor cultivated from now on. We still need to do a bit of hoe and hand work in these areas, but the tractor can handle the major between the row stuff.</p> <p>SO I'm in the market, thanks for the info on the Jang, it looks pretty promising and also Mikes push model planet Junior comes in a tractor mounted variety. Anybody with info on a small scale tractor seeders, please let me know!</p> <p>As always, Thanks to Mike for creating the forum, its a great resource!</p> <p>Mathias </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-438 Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:18:15 +0000 greenuprising 438@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>It's important to keep the Earthway clean. I didn't and found the thing increasingly likely to grind seed. You can easily remove the wheel that holds the plate, clean it up, put a little grease on it, and put it back. But clean the plates, as well, and the hopper. It's also necessary to ream out the channel the seeds drop through, because spiders will nest in there and catch your seeds.</p> <p>I'm interested in more feedback on the 6-row precision seeder. It needs a smooth seedbed (which my little BCS largely provides), and, as Coleman points out, it's a tool, not a machine, meaning you have to tinker with it. I'd like to hear more from tinyfarm about the seedbed you tried it out on, etc. And from others who've tried it. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-429 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:58:06 +0000 blackdog 429@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>For planting carrots with the Jang seeder, is it best to use pelleted seed. Using pelleted seed, is it possible to plant them at 1 - 2 inches spacing so no thinning is required?</p> <p>I have not had much luck with the earthway seeder even with pelleted seed. It seems to jam up and grind the pellets up.</p> <p>I see that non-pelleted carrot seed with kelp added is mentioned above. How precisely can the seed be planted with this method? Precisely enough so no thinning is required? How much kelp do you add?</p> <p>Thank you for any info you can provide. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-428 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:15:09 +0000 ap19 428@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>used the Jang all season. incredible. the only issue is having to switch out the whole gear system everytime you change seed...in rocky soil the plates can get hung up and jam, so you gotta watch. for the money quite possibly the best seeder available. previously used three earthways, for three rows, still use those for lettuces sometimes. planting 300 foot beds is done in 1/4 the time. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-423 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:46:55 +0000 Anonymous 423@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>Colum, I think it will work well but our experience this year was that there were too many seeds deposited into each hole of the smallest wheel we had. This led to having to thin plants pretty aggressively. </p> <p>What would probably work better (we'll try this next spring) is to mix the seeds with kelp and put that mixture into the hopper. That way, the wheel hole is filled with seed and kelp which will greatly reduce the number of seeds per hole. It will also have the benefit of putting a good nutrient source in with each seed. It will take some trial and error but a friend who did this with her seeder said that it was very effective and totally eliminated the need to thin large plantings. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-422 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:10:53 +0000 Anonymous 422@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>Thanks jeffg. Can the jang with the correct wheels handle very small seeds like rocket. 2.5 kgs of rocket is enough for an acre using an air seeder. Some seeders would use this amount in 200m. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-420 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:01:47 +0000 Anonymous 420@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>We used the Jang this year for the first time and were generally happy with it. It was good for small seeds but corn presented a problem. A tip that we received was to mix kelp in with small seeds like carrots to act as a carrier and eliminate the need for thinning. We'll try this next year.</p> <p>As for colum's mesclun question, we simply ran the Jang up and down the raised bed to create 3 rows within the 3-foot wide raised bed. The back roller on the seeder lets you know exactly where you've been, so it was easy to ensure proper spacing. It also kept the heavier equipment out of the field. We only use a two-wheeled Grillo in the field but try to keep it out as much as possible.</p> <p>A friend sent me information on an Italian seeder that he uses. <a href="http://www.bassiebassi.com/en/smBassi.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bassiebassi.com/en/smBassi.htm</a> He likes the all metal construction and the ability to handle large seed. Not sure where to source this yet but will try Joel at Earth Tools in Kentucky.</p> <p>By the way, anyone interested in the Jang can find them at Willsie Equipment Sales in Ontario. They also attend the Guelph Organic Conference but only have a limited amount of product on hand there. They'll bring anything you request, however. </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-419 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:48:45 +0000 Anonymous 419@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>I am tinking of trying the jang six row seeder on a tool bar on the back of a compact tractor to sow mesculin and rocket. i think i will have to use a stone burier on my soil. would then plan to harvest with the manual bag harvester on jonneys seeds site. dose anyone think this system would work producing 500kg per week approx.<br /> colum </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders/page/2#post-412 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:07:35 +0000 Anonymous 412@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>No till requires special seeding equipment. The seeders discussed in this post are all designed for a tilled soil. Look into seeders which are called "seed drills" for a no till solution. They are typically much more expensive and I am not aware of a manual version of one.</p> <p>You could try putting down heavy layers of mulch like leaves or straw in fall and remove it in early spring when your ready to till. If you apply 6-8 inches of mulch you will be amazed how loose the soil will be in the spring. While effective this practice is very labor intensive.</p> <p>-Nathan </p> http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/topic/seeders#post-411 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:52:20 +0000 Anonymous 411@http://tinyfarmblog.com/forum/ <p>I need some kind of planter that I could use in untilled soil that I will losen the soil with some type of metal garden rake. Would the Jang planter work for this, would it be strong enough to go through the untilled firm soil? </p>